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It’s a very fruitful, creative, nurturing partnership.Did you always feel that Louis would become such a huge phenomenon?

Kelley had this pilot called The Wedding Bells, and then Californication came around. ” The pilot was so interesting to read, because it was so well written, but it was super dark. Besides that, I feel like the way a lot of television is now…

Actually, [series creator] Tom Kapinos originally wanted me to read for Karen [Natascha Mc Elhone’s character], and I read it and said, “No, no, no. And I didn’t know what the tone of the show was, you know? I guess when they break it down to the silliest thing, which is awards season, they say, “This is a comedy, and this is a drama,” and I feel like with shows like Californication and another show I work on, Louie, they’re not.

And in the scene, Pam even says to Louie, “This would be rape if you weren’t so stupid,” and “God, you can’t even rape well.” C. has defended the scene; “We thought it was funny when we shot it,” — but has hindsight change the comic’s take? The comic and actor disagrees with using that term to describe the scene, saying: More interesting is the evolution of co-star, Adlon’s comments.

Back in July, the actress said she “never saw it like that [rape],” and referred to the scene (as does Louis C.

K.) as part of the push and pull of Louie and Pam’s relationship.

But now she isn’t quite so defensive of the way the scene played out.

Although Adlon is in the home stretch with her role as Marcy Runkle on Showtime’s Californication—the series’ sixth season is now on DVD, with the seventh and final season premiering on April 13— she continues to serve as a consulting producer on Louie, which returns to FX on May 5.

Californication (2007-present)—“Marcy Runkle”Pamela Adlon: I had actually been offered two pilots that season: David E.

"You're allowed to have a life on the side, and everybody's allowed to have redemption," she says now.

"I'm very proud of all the shows I've done.

When I was first told about him 10 years ago, when I was going to audition for , I’d never even heard of him. I told him, “You’re more than a comedian, you’re a philosopher.” He’s more of a teacher than someone who just makes people laugh.